From acas at sapo.pt  Thu Jun  2 18:27:24 2005
From: acas at sapo.pt (Alberto dos Santos)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] RE:how to tell the server that i am not using an anchor
	tag
Message-ID: <20050602222937.E9D7DA86D8@virtu.nyphp.org>

Hello, Peter.
 
if you want to ad spaces to urls, although technicaly not to correct, you
can use a special char %20 to do it.
your URL would look like this:  
<a href= <http://www.bedc.org/ad/ad%20fashion%2001.htm#elansa>
http://www.bedc.org/ad/ad%20fashion%2001.htm#elansa
target="_blank"><p>ELAN-SA International Handbags</p></a>
 
Hope this helps.
 

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From krook at us.ibm.com  Fri Jun  3 12:14:20 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Quarterly rich text editor round up
Message-ID: <OF2A6E6621.E40D7CA1-ON85257015.0058F53C-85257015.005932A2@us.ibm.com>

It's that time again; picking a rich text editor for a content management 
tool.  It seems like Xinha (http://xinha.python-hosting.com/) and 
FCKeditor (http://www.fckeditor.net/) are the front runners this month.

Requirements are simple for my application
- Must be DHTML (as opposed to a Java applet) 
- Must work with IE 6, Firefox 1
- Must output vanilla XHTML

Thoughts, pointers, preferences?  Output converting snippets even?





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Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

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From tom at supertom.com  Fri Jun  3 12:27:37 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Quarterly rich text editor round up
In-Reply-To: <OF2A6E6621.E40D7CA1-ON85257015.0058F53C-85257015.005932A2@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF2A6E6621.E40D7CA1-ON85257015.0058F53C-85257015.005932A2@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <42A084F9.60602@supertom.com>

I've used FCKeditor alot in the past, and it worked quite well. The last 
I looked, it didn't meet my needs, however, as I'm looking for something 
that works in all current browsers (Safari - Argh!!!)

I haven't done any of this research recently, though, so things may have 
changed.

Conclusion: in the past, I found FCKeditor to be quite usable and 
stable, and sounds like a great choice for your needs.

Tom

http://www.liphp.org


Daniel Krook wrote:

>It's that time again; picking a rich text editor for a content management 
>tool.  It seems like Xinha (http://xinha.python-hosting.com/) and 
>FCKeditor (http://www.fckeditor.net/) are the front runners this month.
>
>Requirements are simple for my application
>- Must be DHTML (as opposed to a Java applet) 
>- Must work with IE 6, Firefox 1
>- Must output vanilla XHTML
>
>Thoughts, pointers, preferences?  Output converting snippets even?
>
>
>
>
>
>Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
>Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com
>
>Personal: http://info.krook.org/
>BluePages: http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
>BlogPages: http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
>
>
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>


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 14:09:14 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Quarterly rich text editor round up
In-Reply-To: <OF2A6E6621.E40D7CA1-ON85257015.0058F53C-85257015.005932A2@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF2A6E6621.E40D7CA1-ON85257015.0058F53C-85257015.005932A2@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <b762526905060311094b0a8d5@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/3/05, Daniel Krook <krook@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> It's that time again; picking a rich text editor for a content management
> tool.  It seems like Xinha (http://xinha.python-hosting.com/) and
> FCKeditor (http://www.fckeditor.net/) are the front runners this month.

Why? What in particular makes you choose one over another -- they are
all, after all, interfaces to the same browser toolset, right?

> Requirements are simple for my application
> - Must be DHTML (as opposed to a Java applet)
> - Must work with IE 6, Firefox 1
> - Must output vanilla XHTML

I think most of the editors on offer at the moment can do those
things. Where they break down (or not) is in how easy they are to
configure and add to a page, and how ugly and obtrusive they happen to
be (or not). I suspect that they can all -do- the same things, at
least once you get over the learning curve and tweak them for your
situation.

My ideal requirements are a bit different:
- Custom paragraph/div styles
- Custom span styles -- this one seems to be difficult
- Drag-handles for resizing images
- Must pass the post-link test -- if there is a link at the end of a
paragraph, how hard is it to append plain (not linked) text after it?

TinyMCE comes as close as any I've tested (despite vague objections
from the Mambo community), but it doesn't handle separate div and span
styles.

From krook at us.ibm.com  Mon Jun  6 19:13:31 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Quarterly rich text editor round up
In-Reply-To: <b762526905060311094b0a8d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFA4B9DB54.1572C9FF-ON85257018.007DF863-85257018.007F93A0@us.ibm.com>

> > It's that time again; picking a rich text editor for a 
> content management
> > tool.  It seems like Xinha (http://xinha.python-hosting.com/) and
> > FCKeditor (http://www.fckeditor.net/) are the front runners this 
month.
> 
> Why? What in particular makes you choose one over another 
> -- they are
> all, after all, interfaces to the same browser toolset, right?
> 
> > Requirements are simple for my application
> > - Must be DHTML (as opposed to a Java applet)
> > - Must work with IE 6, Firefox 1
> > - Must output vanilla XHTML
> 
> I think most of the editors on offer at the moment can do those
> things. Where they break down (or not) is in how easy they are to
> configure and add to a page, and how ugly and obtrusive 
> they happen to
> be (or not). I suspect that they can all -do- the same things, at
> least once you get over the learning curve and tweak them for your
> situation.


Reporting back on FCKeditor... this thing seems to fit all of my 
requirements nicely, and it's got two slick features that have sold me on 
it and which address Chris' second point ease of use:

- It has an API where all you do is drop a simple textarea element in your 
page with an id attribute, which is then manipulated by a JS function call 
that you add somewhere else in the page.  Worst case scenario: you have a 
plain textarea *and* it's obvious where and how that fallback textarea is 
written to the page (as opposed to just something like 
"writeRichTextWidget()").  For my purposes, this also integrates well with 
things like Struts html tags (<html:textarea property="myField" 
styleId="myField"></html:textarea>).

- Also via that textarea API, you don't have to worry about writing values 
to a hidden text field or div, or echoing them to a JS string, and 
therefore you don't have to worry about converting newlines when you 
prepopulate the editor.  This alone eliminate 80% of the integration of 
the RTE's in prior projects.

The textarea API is described in detail here:
http://fckeditor.wikiwikiweb.de/Developer%27s_Guide/Integration/Javascript


Of course, the one downside is the Safari incompatibility, which is summed 
up at the FAQ:
http://fckeditor.wikiwikiweb.de/FAQ

"Does FCKeditor work with Safari, over Mac?

No, unfortunately not. For any editor to work in a browser, the browser 
itself must provide the underlying structure for the editing features. For 
now, Safari doesn't offer it, so it is impossible for an editor to run 
from it.

There are rumors that the Safari team is working on editing support. As 
soon as they provide it, work will be done on FCKeditor to be compatible 
with it."






Daniel Krook, Advisory IT Specialist 
Application Development, Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

Personal: http://info.krook.org/
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 15:27:30 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
Message-ID: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>

Guys I am not sure i am writing to the appropriate list but this also doesnt 
have much to do with PHP
i was checking out Photo Stamps because i thought it was cool and then i saw 
this and fell in love with it lol

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps/image_upload/?new=true

upload a photo there and you will see the progress indicator. My question is 
this. Is that javascript based or is that communicating with a java servlet? 
If it is using a servlet how would i do something as nice as this with 
javascript and PHP? I did notice in the code the call to 

url = 
"/ps/ImageUploadServlet?action=ppercent-telapsed-tremain-prawkb-fsizekb-pscaled-finished&"
+ new Date().getTime();

and the results of that can be seen here

http://photo.stamps.com/ps/ImageUploadServlet?action=ppercent-telapsed-tremain-prawkb-fsizekb-pscaled-finished

so i ask this, what should i read up on to learn how to do things like this?

-- 
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From tom at supertom.com  Fri Jun 24 16:15:32 2005
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom Melendez)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42BC69E4.8000900@supertom.com>

The last time I looked into this (it has been quite a while), it 
couldn't be done in PHP, but it was something that was being addressed.  
I believe the issue comes down to the fact that PHP really didn't know 
about the file until it was completely uploaded, but I could be wrong.

As a cheat, however, I discovered that you can open up a window and show 
an animated graphics that *looks* like a progress bar or similar, reload 
that page to check and see if the file made it to the server.  Once it 
has, you close the window.

I got this idea from Yahoo, as this is how they used to do it (they 
would show an animation show the user that something was going on, but 
not actually tell progress), and it has worked out fine.

But yes, it would be cool to do this the "right" way.

Tom

http://www.liphp.org


Joseph Crawford wrote:

> Guys I am not sure i am writing to the appropriate list but this also 
> doesnt have much to do with PHP
> i was checking out Photo Stamps because i thought it was cool and then 
> i saw this and fell in love with it lol
>
> http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps/image_upload/?new=true
>
> upload a photo there and you will see the progress indicator.  My 
> question is this.  Is that javascript based or is that communicating 
> with a java servlet?  If it is using a servlet how would i do 
> something as nice as this with javascript and PHP?  I did notice in 
> the code the call to
>
> url = 
> "/ps/ImageUploadServlet?action=ppercent-telapsed-tremain-prawkb-fsizekb-pscaled-finished&" 
> + new Date().getTime();
>
> and the results of that can be seen here
>
> http://photo.stamps.com/ps/ImageUploadServlet?action=ppercent-telapsed-tremain-prawkb-fsizekb-pscaled-finished 
> <http://photo.stamps.com/ps/ImageUploadServlet?action=ppercent-telapsed-tremain-prawkb-fsizekb-pscaled-finished>
>
> so i ask this, what should i read up on to learn how to do things like 
> this?
>
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl@gmail.com <mailto:codebowl@gmail.com>
>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 16:32:06 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <42BC69E4.8000900@supertom.com>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<42BC69E4.8000900@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <b7625269050624133227938950@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/24/05, Tom Melendez <tom@supertom.com> wrote:
> The last time I looked into this (it has been quite a while), it
> couldn't be done in PHP, but it was something that was being addressed.
> I believe the issue comes down to the fact that PHP really didn't know
> about the file until it was completely uploaded, but I could be wrong.

Yep. To the best of my knowledge, PHP doesn't get anything from Apache
until the full request is received.

You could build your own webserver daemon using PHP CLI and listening
on port 80. Then you would have control over the whole operation, and
you could spool the incoming data to disk in a predictable way so that
other requests could track the progress of the file.

But that sounds like an awful lot of work...

From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 16:39:46 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <b7625269050624133227938950@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<42BC69E4.8000900@supertom.com>
	<b7625269050624133227938950@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800506241339547fef3f@mail.gmail.com>

yep that sounds like an awful lot of work. guess i am going to have to learn 
jsp and servlets heh.

-- 
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Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Fri Jun 24 16:45:50 2005
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:10 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42BC70FE.809@phpwerx.net>

Joseph Crawford wrote:
> Guys I am not sure i am writing to the appropriate list but this also doesnt 
> have much to do with PHP
> i was checking out Photo Stamps because i thought it was cool and then i saw 
> this and fell in love with it lol
> 
> http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps/image_upload/?new=true

snip

> so i ask this, what should i read up on to learn how to do things like this?

After a little googling I turned up:

http://pdoru.from.ro/

Which has the required stuff to make php capable of monitoring upload 
progress.

And here:

http://bluga.net/projects/uploadProgressMeter/

You can find a demo using AJAX for an even nicer progress bar, based on 
the same server-side php.

Dan

From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 17:02:20 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <42BC70FE.809@phpwerx.net>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<42BC70FE.809@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a428005062414021a0a2024@mail.gmail.com>

Dan,

this is nice but when attemptint to upload a 7mb file it started to just 
hang at 2mb uploaded then after a bit just jumped to completed. :( I will 
have to look over the code though.


-- 
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1-802-671-2021
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri Jun 24 20:56:10 2005
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <8d9a428005062414021a0a2024@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>	<42BC70FE.809@phpwerx.net>
	<8d9a428005062414021a0a2024@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16523-21606@sneakemail.com>

Joseph Crawford codebowl-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> Dan,
>
> this is nice but when attemptint to upload a 7mb file it started to 
> just hang at 2mb uploaded then after a bit just jumped to completed. 
> :(  I will have to look over the code though.
>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl@gmail.com <mailto:codebowl@gmail.com>

That one's Flash based, no? I didn;t get a progres bar until I enabled 
the flash plugin.

From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 21:17:34 2005
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <16523-21606@sneakemail.com>
References: <8d9a42800506241227496bf5d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<42BC70FE.809@phpwerx.net> <8d9a428005062414021a0a2024@mail.gmail.com>
	<16523-21606@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a4280050624181771813db8@mail.gmail.com>

i dont beliueve so, i thought it was a servlet or something...

-- 
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Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
codebowl@gmail.com
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From krook at us.ibm.com  Thu Jun 30 14:24:52 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] TinyMCE rich text and Safari
Message-ID: <OF6E094A6A.01030837-ON85257030.0064CBA7-85257030.006526E7@us.ibm.com>

Following on the earlier cross-platform RTE discussion... there is an 
interesting thread kicked of by the developers of TinyMCE on getting their 
rich text editor to work with Safari on the Apple web-dev list.  It seems 
it's a go, but it wasn't pretty.  They're looking for testers and 
feedback.

http://lists.apple.com/archives/web-dev/2005/Jun/msg00146.html
http://lists.apple.com/archives/web-dev/2005/Jun/




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