From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Nov 21 21:53:30 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] those rich text editors and deprecated FONT
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>


I've been in the market for one of those cool-o Javascript web-based text
editor thingies and trying a few. Does anybody know why TinyMCE, Xinha,
and RTE all use the long-deprecated FONT instead of a <span style="...">
or some such?


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

From krook at us.ibm.com  Mon Nov 21 22:16:59 2005
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] those rich text editors and deprecated FONT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <OFE7135432.6A0AF634-ON852570C1.0011A3BF-852570C1.0012088D@us.ibm.com>

> I've been in the market for one of those cool-o Javascript
> web-based text
> editor thingies and trying a few. Does anybody know why 
> TinyMCE, Xinha,
> and RTE all use the long-deprecated FONT instead of a 
> <span style="...">
> or some such?

Not sure about why, but I know FCKEditor outputs spans, and I believe it 
even converts what you might have pasted in there w/ existing font tags.

It's very actively developed and fit my XHTML requirements listed here 
earlier this year (I think the incompatibility w/ Safari has also been 
worked out at this point):

http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/front-end/2005-June/000426.html
http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/front-end/2005-June/000429.html

FCKeditor (http://www.fckeditor.net/)



Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
http://bookmarks.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/




From yournway at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 04:04:03 2005
From: yournway at gmail.com (Alberto dos Santos)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] those rich text editors and deprecated FONT
In-Reply-To: <OFE7135432.6A0AF634-ON852570C1.0011A3BF-852570C1.0012088D@us.ibm.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>
	<OFE7135432.6A0AF634-ON852570C1.0011A3BF-852570C1.0012088D@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <edce57650511220104q1f175cc5s@mail.gmail.com>

I use http://www.xstandard.com/
It delivers strict XHTML 1.0 output.

HTH

On 22/11/05, Daniel Krook <krook@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > I've been in the market for one of those cool-o Javascript
> > web-based text
> > editor thingies and trying a few. Does anybody know why
> > TinyMCE, Xinha,
> > and RTE all use the long-deprecated FONT instead of a
> > <span style="...">
> > or some such?
>
> Not sure about why, but I know FCKEditor outputs spans, and I believe it
> even converts what you might have pasted in there w/ existing font tags.
>
> It's very actively developed and fit my XHTML requirements listed here
> earlier this year (I think the incompatibility w/ Safari has also been
> worked out at this point):
>
> http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/front-end/2005-June/000426.html
> http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/front-end/2005-June/000429.html
>
> FCKeditor (http://www.fckeditor.net/)
>
>
>
> Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
> Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com
>
> http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
> http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
> http://bookmarks.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP SIG: Front End Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/front-end
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


--
Alberto dos Santos
Consultor em TI
IT Consultant

http://www.yournway.com
A internet ? sua maneira.
The Internet your own way.

From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 10:38:31 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] those rich text editors and deprecated FONT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690511220738t26a1f145vf496d078f3cad190@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, David Mintz <dmintz@davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
> I've been in the market for one of those cool-o Javascript web-based text
> editor thingies and trying a few. Does anybody know why TinyMCE, Xinha,
> and RTE all use the long-deprecated FONT instead of a <span style="...">
> or some such?
>

Because they hook into the browser's rich text editing engine, and
some browsers haven't been updated in recent memory and so don't
understand that <font> is deprecated yet.

When combined with Tidy on the server, none of this makes any
difference, and you generally get decent code no matter what the user
sends.

--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/
From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue Nov 22 11:10:40 2005
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] those rich text editors and deprecated FONT
In-Reply-To: <b76252690511220738t26a1f145vf496d078f3cad190@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>
	<b76252690511220738t26a1f145vf496d078f3cad190@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511221104000.30152@emra.pair.com>

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, csnyder wrote:

> On 11/21/05, David Mintz <dmintz@davidmintz.org> wrote:
> >
> > [...] Does anybody know why TinyMCE, Xinha,
> > and RTE all use the long-deprecated FONT instead of a <span style="...">
> > or some such?
> >
>
> Because they hook into the browser's rich text editing engine, and
> some browsers haven't been updated in recent memory and so don't
> understand that <font> is deprecated yet.
>
> When combined with Tidy on the server, none of this makes any
> difference, and you generally get decent code no matter what the user
> sends.
>

Ah, interesting. I've been considering Tidying it up. Since I am new to
Tidy it's time to RTFM and figure out the easiest way to make it replace
FONT.

Meanwhile I am also looking at FCKeditor (thanks, Daniel K.). Love that
name. Apparently it's anything but FCKed.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 11:21:49 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] those rich text editors and deprecated FONT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511221104000.30152@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0511212150220.85479@emra.pair.com>
	<b76252690511220738t26a1f145vf496d078f3cad190@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0511221104000.30152@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690511220821y74db528dmf178d1c422f896ad@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/05, David Mintz <dmintz@davidmintz.org> wrote:

> Ah, interesting. I've been considering Tidying it up. Since I am new to
> Tidy it's time to RTFM and figure out the easiest way to make it replace
> FONT.
>

It's linked to from TFM, but you will be very glad indeed if you
bookmark this page when starting to wotk with Tidy:
http://tidy.sourceforge.net/docs/quickref.html


--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/
From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 09:15:18 2005
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue Mar  4 07:24:11 2008
Subject: [front-end] Mouseover DOM
Message-ID: <b76252690511300615seec4815h9c0dbb285a3644a8@mail.gmail.com>

Best. Favlet. Ever.
http://slayeroffice.com/tools/modi/v2.0/modi_help.html

One click, read-write access to the DOM of any page, from your
Bookmarks toolbar. This might be useful...

(Thanks to Adam Trachtenberg for the tip!)


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Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/